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  1. I have this kit too, along with a couple of other Otis kits (the small round ones) for the field, and yep they are awesome, I agree. I still use my Bore Snakes on shot guns when I am in competition that stretches over many hours and hundreds of rounds (clays) because between it and my frog lube applicator, I can have the gun field cleaned and lubed in roughly 2 min. Could do the same with this Otis probably, but for the shotguns I have no complaints about the bore snake, in a couple of pulls my bore is a mirror, where before it was covered in carbon. Maybe not as effective as the Otis tools (although I still follow their breech first guidance with the bore snake), but effective enough for field cleaning and no assembly required :). Plus they are cheap (on Amazon anyway), so no big deal it it is lost, where my Elite kit stays home, it would drive me nuts to lose parts of it ;).

    One addition I recommend for those thorough cleanings (especially if you have a touch of OCD when cleaning like I do), try some of these: http://www.utvtactical.com/g-tip-swabs.htm, the pointy yet tightly woven sharp tip gun cleaning q-tips are AWESOME compared to normal q-tips. I use picks(plastic and brass if needed) and solvents to break up deposits that get in nooks and crannies, but then what? These are the then what, soak the tip of the G-Tip in a tiny bit of solvent, and then it will pull all of that crap right out of there and not leave any cotton strands behind like my Q-Tips used to when pulling the same duty. $10 shipped per 100, I stocked up on a few hundred which should easily last me a year or three. I use these with the kit and do a full blown several hour cleaning routine every time I get a new weapon (most of what I purchase is used). It doesn’t have to take a few hours, but given it is a new weapon, I take my time, diassemble slowly and learn how everything works mechanically as I go, put aside the parts I am gonna put in the Ultrasonic cleaner, etc. I think it is fun too, especially with a new firearm as I am exploring and learning it as I turn it from a neglected dirty piece to a smooth and shiny piece :).

    Thanks for the review, it is a fantastic kit, and IMO the most comprehensive kit I have ever seen for the price and in such a small package to boot, IMO they got everything right, no compromises! It also keeps those terrible aluminum rods that you get in the cheap cleaning kits out of your barrels :). Definitely good to get the word out there!

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    1. Thanks, Mike. And wow – your comment was posted before the virtual ink was dry on this post! :)

      I’ve got a buddy who swears by the Frog Lube, too. I may have to check it out. And you make a great point about taking the bore snakes with you and leaving the Otis kit at home. Yeah – I’d be ticked if I lost one of the pieces in the dirt.

      I’ll check out those swabs, too. Happy shooting!

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      1. I highly recommend giving Frog Lube a shot, at least Google on it. I did a lot of research before I made the switch from Pro M-7, RemOil, BreakFree CLP, etc. (tons of different cleaners I have built up over time), and Frog Lube is a completely different animal. Most other all in one solvents/lubes/CLPs are petroleum based, where Frog Lube is polymer based. The Polymer based boating stands up much better to the elements, is just as effective at cleaning, and the best part is that over time of using frog lube, it works its way into the pores of the weapons so that 1) your wear surfaces like slides become much smoother and last longer, and 2) it turns your surfaces where carbon build up is common into “Teflon”, they become so much easier to clean. Polymer is also much less hazardous and longevity on weapons is better given it doesn’t dry out and can stand up to full immersion in salt water, etc.

        I did a lot of research given I didn’t want to do to a “completely different animal” on my very expensive gun collection without being sure I was doing the right thing, and what stood out for me is after hours and hours of Googling or reading, I did not find ONE SINGLE post in any forum, review site (Amazon, etc.), or ANYWHERE with anything bad to say about Frog Lube, NOT ONE (except for the price :)). That is a first considering talking gun cleaning products is up there with talking politics or religion :).

        Anyway, don’t take my word for it, do some Googling, read the story of by whom and why it was invented, read others’s experiences with it on forums, etc. I can tell you my experiences have been nothing but positive. Amazon has decent deals on Frog Lube kits as well. As part of the switch to get the full benefit of the lube you need to completely remove the petroleum based products from your firearms so that can be a bit tedious, but IMO it was worth it, I am still converting as I have quite a few pieces and I only started using it a few months ago.

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        1. Hey, Mike. What solution are you using in your ultrasonic cleaner? I just picked up a heating unit, and want to test out ultrasonic clean followed by Froglube.

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          1. Mike Craft

            When it comes to cleaning I have 2 solutions actually, one is just for brass to reload, and the ultrasonic is for more fragile brass (like 5.7×28 where there is a poly coating that must NOT be cleaned off, therefore requires an Ultrasonic cleaner instead) as well as gun parts, jewelry, etc. I specifically shopped for one big enough to be able to fit *most* full sized slides, frames, etc. without breaking the bank. Here is the kit I got for media based cleaning that works really well and was cheap, but effective(and media is super cheap if you get walnut shell media at the pet store instead of the exact same thing at 10x the price from gun cleaning supply places, it is in the reptile section), and this place usually has the cheapest for pretty much ANYTHING that they carry:

            http://www.fedtacticaldirect.com/Frankford-Arsenal-Quick-n-EZ-Case-Tumbler-Kit-645-880_p_24761.html

            Here is the Ultrasonic cleaner I got, you can actually get it cheaper on Amazon under other brand names for the exact same thing, but I had a great coupon for this at optics planet, and with Lyman stamped on it the warranty/support is a lot better than I would get from the basically noname versions of the same thing. I also got samples of the cleaning solutions, AND most of the cheaper ones do not come with the basket for some stupid reason, it is an optional:

            http://www.opticsplanet.com/lyman-turbo-sonic-cleaner-promo-pack.html

            They have a bigger one, but out of my budget for now, but after seeing how useful it is (for all kinds of household cleaning, not just for my gear), a larger cleaner is on my list, given it would make things even faster. I am also not sure how much longer I will be using a tumbler :)

            http://www.opticsplanet.com/turbo-sonic-6000-ultrasonic-case-cleaners.html

            The difference between the interior dimensions between the two (since the smaller one doesn’t say anywhere on the websites i looked at):

            Small: 9.84″ x 5.90″ x 3.15″
            Large: 12.7” x 8.0” x 3.9”

            The small one fits most of what I need, but the large one has 1) strong transducers, so shoudl be better cleaner I think, 2) a drain (man I wish the small one has a drain!!), and 3) a feature to some how eliminate any air pockets in what you are cleaning to ensure that the solution has contact with 100% of the surfaces to be cleaned, in addition to being bigger if you want to clean an 8″ revolver for example :).


          2. I don’t do any reloading (yet?) so I’m just looking for cleaning solution recommendations. I’ve already got the cleaner, which is a Crest 1100HT:

            http://www.crest-ultrasonics.com/powersonic-benchtop-cleaners.html

            Retail is $1,100 but I paid less than half that for a new one on eBay. :)

            I was leaning toward either a gallon of the the MPro 7 cleaning solution (not the oil):

            http://www.midwayusa.com/product/822547/m-pro-7-rust-preventative-and-bore-cleaning-solvent-1-gallon-liquid

            or maybe some UniqueTek solution from UV Tactical (who is a distributor for FrogLube):

            http://www.utvtactical.com/degreaser.htm

            I spoke with Mike Beck at Froglube on the phone earlier today, and asked him what he’d recommend for prepping a gun for its first Froglube treatment. He answered “30 days from now, I’ll say our new Froglube Solvent! But for now, just used denatured alcohol.” But I’m not sure if denatured alcohol is a good idea in a sonic cleaner, and he didn’t want to confirm that either.

            So I called Pantheon Enterprises (makers of MPro 7) and talked to Amy in their Gun Care Dept. She confirmed that MPro7 is an “awesome” ultrasonic gun cleaning solution, and that it would be a great prep solution for a full Froglube treatment. MPro7 has a great reputation (while UniqueTek has no reputation that I know of), so I’m gonna go with the MPro7. Amy wants me to email her my review of the ultrasonic MPro 7 + Froglube method when I post it, so that’s what I plan on doing!

          3. Mike Craft

            Oh my bad, I misread (read to fast) and substituted “in” with “for” in my head. I don’t know if I would put alcohol in a heated cleaner, at least not without a fire extinguisher near by. I am pretty sure that the flashpoint is quite low, and with your awesome cleaner, it amy heat enough to cause flammable vapor and a lot of it… I dunno, I have never tried it myself. I use M Pro 7 and clean the old fashioned way, then follow up with alcohol (it’s cheap, so I can be liberal :)), by drenching paper towels (shop paper towels, i.e. the blue ones that are much less prone to ripping/dissolving) and wiping the disassembled weaon’s parts, using those qtips I referenced for nooks, etc.




  2. @Steve – excellent information in that review. Thank you.
    I’ve been so curious about the ultrasonic cleaners.

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  3. Robert Hainex

    A gun is something that I shouldn’t compromise on and this tips will really help. thanks a lot!

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